Episode 2

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,680 Hello welcome back to Okay What Went Wrong. I'm Michael Becker. And I am Zane 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:13,680 Becker-Byrd. How you doing this week Zane? I am I'm doing doing all right. It's 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:20,680 been a been a tiring weekend but you know it's just school stuff. I'm assuming 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,120 everyone who's either been in college or is in college now understands a 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,820 sentiment of, yeah, I'm doing. 6 00:00:27,820 --> 00:00:31,560 Yep. Midterms, right? 7 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,620 Yeah. Midterms on Thursday. 8 00:00:34,620 --> 00:00:37,460 It's an in class essay. 9 00:00:37,460 --> 00:00:40,400 As one of those ones, I don't know if you ever had one where you 10 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,900 weren't allowed to like even bring any like materials from outside the class. 11 00:00:44,900 --> 00:00:47,000 You just had to write the whole thing. 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,120 Yeah. Is that how they're trying to make it so the chat G.B.T. 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,720 is not a thing? 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:59,760 No, because OK, so chat GPT is actually self-defeating when it comes to essays, 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,220 because if you ask chat GPT to write an UNSA, it will write you nothing. 16 00:01:04,220 --> 00:01:09,620 Like you will get you will get a very technically well written bad essay. 17 00:01:09,620 --> 00:01:12,080 Yep. It's very, very, very empty. 18 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,720 It is. 19 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,920 Yes. Chat GPT is great, assuming you don't want information or content. 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,480 Yeah. So for stuff like. 21 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:32,440 ads, it'd be good, I think I I probably should not have firmly 22 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,320 stayed. This is what is good for without having any prepared 23 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:38,000 materials for chat GPT. 24 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,400 That's fair. Although I do see that you did prepare something 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,800 this week. Do you want to do you want to kick us off? 26 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:53,000 Yes, so I use a little software called Pandoc. 27 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:58,340 If you've heard of it, you know exactly what I'm talking about. 28 00:01:58,340 --> 00:02:00,480 If you haven't heard of it, 29 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,040 it's basically just like a markup format converter. 30 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:08,540 So like in convert from Doc X, markdown, common mark, 31 00:02:08,540 --> 00:02:10,640 other markdown flavors. 32 00:02:10,640 --> 00:02:12,740 Why are there so many markdown flavors? 33 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,120 Org mode and just all just a ton of different markup formats. 34 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,080 So. 35 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,680 But Pandoc was written by this guy, 36 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,780 I think, don't quote me on this, but I think it was written by this guy 37 00:02:28,780 --> 00:02:31,380 named John McFarlane, who also 38 00:02:31,380 --> 00:02:37,120 designed a spec for for another yet another markup language 39 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,580 because we didn't have enough. 40 00:02:39,580 --> 00:02:42,120 Wait, is that legitimately YAML or is it something else? 41 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:48,440 No, oh, because this is an even because YAML, I completely forgot. 42 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,680 That's what YAML is to configure, which is configuration protocol that's used. 43 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,240 I love all of it. 44 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,040 Yet another markup. 45 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,320 Like a side note, YAML is my preferred 46 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:04,320 can metadata storage format at the heading of Markdown files. 47 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,280 I love it so much. 48 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,000 But no, this is yet another yet another marked markup language, 49 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,560 which is called Djot. 50 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:19,080 I actually have a lot less to say about it than I want to, 51 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:24,020 because it's one of those things, it's one of those projects where there isn't. 52 00:03:24,020 --> 00:03:28,020 It's not fully supported. 53 00:03:28,020 --> 00:03:33,760 There is a Lua conversion library in a job in a JavaScript conversion library. 54 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,660 Which means if you know how to use Lua or JavaScript 55 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,260 and know how to link those into like static libraries, 56 00:03:42,260 --> 00:03:46,640 you can use it with like a ton of software as a markup language, 57 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,160 just like like you would mark them. 58 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,340 I think I'm pretty sure you can actually use it with 11D. 59 00:03:53,340 --> 00:03:59,340 Yeah, it just because it's because you just install it with node and then you. 60 00:03:59,340 --> 00:04:02,840 For people who may not know, 11D is the blogging engine. 61 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,000 You're using that now, right? Yes. 62 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,840 And I am as well. 63 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,120 It's a static site generation templates. 64 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:09,480 Yeah. 65 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,800 Static site generating template, uh, static site rendering, uh, 66 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,600 application that takes Markdown files, uh, as one flavor and turns them into 67 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,340 websites, but it's a low JavaScript doesn't work. 68 00:04:22,340 --> 00:04:22,860 It does not. 69 00:04:22,860 --> 00:04:29,220 It's a rendered on server sent out, but not at, uh, request time when 70 00:04:29,220 --> 00:04:30,940 it actually builds the site. 71 00:04:30,940 --> 00:04:35,940 So it basically creates all the pages and then, uh, saves them on the store, 72 00:04:35,980 --> 00:04:37,520 on the local hard drive. 73 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,540 So it creates cache, it's very fast, 74 00:04:39,540 --> 00:04:44,540 and it kind of skips the step of render on request time, 75 00:04:44,540 --> 00:04:48,540 which is performance hit, or rendering in browser, 76 00:04:48,540 --> 00:04:52,380 which there's a lot of reasons why that can go sideways 77 00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:53,580 if you're not careful with it. 78 00:04:53,580 --> 00:04:56,020 There's a lot of, like a lot of the progressive web apps 79 00:04:56,020 --> 00:04:59,060 use that, but this is basically taking Markdown 80 00:04:59,060 --> 00:05:02,820 and converting it directly into HTML, JavaScript, and CSS, 81 00:05:02,820 --> 00:05:06,260 kind of the basic fundamental building blocks of the web, 82 00:05:06,260 --> 00:05:10,700 but not relying on JavaScript as a rendering tool, 83 00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:14,400 basically putting it back in the role of added functionality, 84 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,540 but the website can still run if JavaScript is disabled. 85 00:05:17,540 --> 00:05:20,680 - I actually have a few humorous corrections for you. 86 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:21,520 - Perfect. 87 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,780 - 11D, I believe, is written in JavaScript, 88 00:05:23,780 --> 00:05:27,820 so it is technically inaccurate to say it's low JavaScript. 89 00:05:27,820 --> 00:05:28,660 - That's fair. 90 00:05:28,660 --> 00:05:31,140 It's low JavaScript in browser by default. 91 00:05:31,140 --> 00:05:31,980 How about that? 92 00:05:31,980 --> 00:05:34,420 client side render JavaScript. 93 00:05:34,420 --> 00:05:38,380 And also you do have to write the CSS yourself. 94 00:05:38,380 --> 00:05:40,420 Yeah, that's true. 95 00:05:40,420 --> 00:05:43,820 Which but it kind of sits in that same realm as like WordPress, 96 00:05:43,820 --> 00:05:48,920 except instead of rendering those pages on the fly, it's doing them once on build. 97 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,280 You could build your 11 site and leave it for four months. 98 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:55,580 And it's exactly the same files as when you left it last time. 99 00:05:55,580 --> 00:06:00,620 Yeah, it's it's to continue this tangent, because I think it is worth saving. 100 00:06:01,020 --> 00:06:07,580 I don't think Eleventy is good for someone making their first static site generated blog. 101 00:06:07,580 --> 00:06:15,180 Which I 100% recommend to do. If you're currently running a WordPress blog and you don't 102 00:06:15,180 --> 00:06:21,980 and you're not aware of any use that you're getting out of the fact that it's dynamically 103 00:06:21,980 --> 00:06:28,700 generated, I would really look into transitioning over to a static site generated blog with the 104 00:06:28,700 --> 00:06:35,780 the caveat of use Hugo, not 11 E 11 E requires you to manually sign set up all this stuff 105 00:06:35,780 --> 00:06:42,060 yourself. Hugo has themes. I cannot stress how much easier it is to use Hugo until you 106 00:06:42,060 --> 00:06:45,460 know what you're doing and then it's so much easier to use 11. It's like kind of a swish 107 00:06:45,460 --> 00:06:46,460 that happens. 108 00:06:46,460 --> 00:06:50,620 11 E has a bunch of starter templates that you can go from but I agree. Yeah, the themes 109 00:06:50,620 --> 00:06:58,180 that are available in Hugo are much easier to use. Yeah. Anyway, back to DJOT because 110 00:06:58,180 --> 00:07:00,340 Yes, that was what we were supposed to be talking about. 111 00:07:00,340 --> 00:07:06,720 It's it has a it has a JavaScript 112 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:12,360 parser, so you can use it in 11 to get pressure. 113 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,120 I'm gone that working yet because that's a lot of work 114 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,660 for someone who doesn't understand JavaScript. Yep. 115 00:07:17,660 --> 00:07:21,580 But I'm really thinking about doing it because I've been reading the spec, 116 00:07:21,580 --> 00:07:25,240 which is the main thing I can do with it right now and has some really useful 117 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:32,360 features that you don't have in a lot of like other markup languages, not HTML, 118 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:37,880 HTML, just writing HTML that that's like technically a markup language, but that's 119 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:43,080 like, that's like kind of saying like assembly is a mark is like assembly is a 120 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,880 programming language like, yes, it is a programming language. 121 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,040 However, if you're writing an assembly, you're probably also comfortable just 122 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,640 sending hex values to your processor. 123 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,240 So it's like, right. 124 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,400 It's a different audience. It's it's. 125 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:58,740 It's like very bare metal. 126 00:07:58,740 --> 00:08:00,900 HTML is HTML. 127 00:08:00,900 --> 00:08:03,900 HTML is assembly, but for the web. 128 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:06,340 Not to be confused with WebAssembly. Correct. 129 00:08:06,340 --> 00:08:12,180 Rename, rename HTML to WebAssembly. 130 00:08:12,180 --> 00:08:13,340 Twenty, twenty four. 131 00:08:13,340 --> 00:08:15,740 I love how much you tickled yourself with that. 132 00:08:15,740 --> 00:08:18,940 Like I think I think it was a very funny joke. 133 00:08:18,940 --> 00:08:24,240 Regardless, one of the big features of Dijot in the spec 134 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:29,280 that I'm that I'm like really, really interested in if I can get it working 135 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:35,840 is you can do spans and apply classes to the spans. 136 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,080 Oh, that's which for my very specific use case 137 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:44,280 of having to write a lot of spans in my like articles to apply custom formatting, 138 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,680 which I don't have a good reason for 139 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:51,440 is one of those things where 140 00:08:51,440 --> 00:09:00,920 It's because it's because I need I need very specific like lines of text to be colored in certain ways and like sometimes I need a specific font and it's not. 141 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:11,840 And the things I need aren't built into HTML, so I need to do it myself for my specific use case, Dijot seems to solve this this very specific problem. 142 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:18,960 The main problem is I haven't gotten it working yet because I'm going to have to. 143 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:25,200 I'm going to have to like actually mess around with the Lua library 144 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,700 and like install it and like actually compile everything 145 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:32,400 because it's not in my Linux distributions package manager. 146 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,960 Did I mention I use Linux? 147 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,040 I don't think that's come up yet. 148 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,560 I use Linux. 149 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:40,860 It's like CrossFit. 150 00:09:40,860 --> 00:09:43,360 I'm fairly certain you've mentioned that before. 151 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,660 Yeah, if I haven't, this is even more funny. 152 00:09:45,660 --> 00:09:48,600 But I do use Linux. 153 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:54,160 So I for for those not in the know, the way you install apps with Linux, 154 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,440 you just type a thing into the terminal. 155 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:57,900 It's like, hey, do you have this app? 156 00:09:57,900 --> 00:10:00,440 And then the server tells you, yes, we do. 157 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,540 Here you go. 158 00:10:01,540 --> 00:10:03,580 Well, the problem is that you don't have the app. 159 00:10:03,580 --> 00:10:08,720 Very Linux in a very command line, a terminal oriented way. 160 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,020 Yeah, because it's very possible that people are using Linux in the fashion 161 00:10:12,020 --> 00:10:15,720 that someone use Mac or Windows where there's a graphical user interface for it. 162 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,380 But you've taken that and your whole workflow 163 00:10:18,380 --> 00:10:20,680 is all terminal based for the most part. 164 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:23,120 I. Kinda. 165 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:23,820 It's. 166 00:10:23,820 --> 00:10:27,660 It's hard to tell up at some points 167 00:10:27,660 --> 00:10:32,020 because I work with the terminals to do things. 168 00:10:32,020 --> 00:10:32,360 Yeah. 169 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,120 But a lot of but a lot of the things like. 170 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:40,900 I think you're I think you're more right in spirit than you are in like literal 171 00:10:40,900 --> 00:10:43,560 because you go into a graph. 172 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:47,080 Anyone in the audience who knows what this is, I use cute browser. 173 00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:52,540 And if you don't know what that that is, that's almost the point of the statement. 174 00:10:52,540 --> 00:10:55,980 OK. It's 175 00:10:55,980 --> 00:11:00,980 there's a lot of I use a lot of like 176 00:11:00,980 --> 00:11:05,240 nonstandard tools to like eke every like out 177 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,640 every like iota of performance and battery life out of my computer. 178 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:15,080 Because Linux has terrible like power. 179 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,880 One of one of the benefits of Windows, 180 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,120 mostly Mac OS, but to a certain extent, windows, 181 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,580 they're very power efficient. 182 00:11:23,580 --> 00:11:28,280 Yeah, because everything is designed to work together in exactly one way. 183 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,980 And that way. 184 00:11:30,980 --> 00:11:34,040 We'll and because of that, everything saves power. 185 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,640 And it and you actually have like six hour battery lives are more than that. 186 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,940 I forgot what a good battery life is now. 187 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,180 Because I'm I'm at like I have if I leave my 188 00:11:46,180 --> 00:11:50,160 my room for like four hours while plugging in my laptop said. 189 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,820 OK, so you're getting about four hours battery life. 190 00:11:52,820 --> 00:11:54,820 Yeah, based on. Yeah. 191 00:11:54,820 --> 00:11:56,760 Yeah. But so. 192 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:01,600 And the reason I use a lot of the terminal applications is because 193 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,360 they are more power power efficient because you're doing the things directly. 194 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:11,500 For example, Firefox and Chrome 195 00:12:11,500 --> 00:12:13,460 have a lot of cruft on them. 196 00:12:13,460 --> 00:12:18,500 Yeah, that like either they're like clogging up screen real estate or like. 197 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:23,840 They're just like taking, you know, you know, the joke where 198 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:28,440 where someone opens up their. 199 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,440 Ram usage specs when they have Chrome open, it's just all Chrome. 200 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,200 Yeah, it's like 97 percent CPU, 50 percent RAM. 201 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:38,640 It's all Chrome. 202 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,240 Yep. 203 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,040 That would kill my battery. 204 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:48,480 Like I don't I don't have the I don't have the I don't have the power efficiency in the actual. 205 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:55,620 Like OS itself with everything running together in lockstep to be. 206 00:12:55,620 --> 00:13:00,160 I don't have the privilege of wasting power on on Chrome. 207 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,720 To be clear, this is mainly an issue with laptops. 208 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:08,320 It's an issue with PCs, too, like actual desktop computers, 209 00:13:08,820 --> 00:13:10,140 But it's less noticeable. 210 00:13:10,140 --> 00:13:13,420 It's a lot easier to not realize how much power you're using on a desktop 211 00:13:13,420 --> 00:13:19,460 computer, because you're not in danger of losing power. 212 00:13:19,460 --> 00:13:23,500 And I mean, this is something that has definitely made me realize how 213 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:26,060 like power inefficient my setup was. 214 00:13:26,060 --> 00:13:31,420 Well, it does go to like Chrome is also very power inefficient on 215 00:13:31,420 --> 00:13:38,420 Mac as well to the point where like if I typically run Safari just because it is 216 00:13:38,540 --> 00:13:43,020 power optimized for the system when I'm not plugged in. 217 00:13:43,020 --> 00:13:48,080 Um, I have to use because of my work, I use kind of a bunch of different 218 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,700 browsers, but Safari, because everything you said about it, how it's tweaked 219 00:13:51,700 --> 00:13:55,500 specifically for the hardware, I just go with the defaults on a lot of those things. 220 00:13:55,500 --> 00:13:59,160 Um, I assume you're going to know the question to this because you're a web 221 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,700 developer, but Safari is web kit, right? 222 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:02,820 Yes. 223 00:14:02,820 --> 00:14:05,400 So Safari is Chrome also a web kit. 224 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,540 It was originally, it got forked. 225 00:14:07,540 --> 00:14:09,780 and also called something called Blink. 226 00:14:09,780 --> 00:14:13,620 It was originally based on the same, but then it is no longer. OK. 227 00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:18,020 So I guess we both use WebKit browsers. Yes. 228 00:14:18,020 --> 00:14:22,480 So what are you using? Cute browser. It's it's. 229 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,420 It's good. 230 00:14:25,420 --> 00:14:28,080 The my one complaint about Cute browser is that it. 231 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:35,180 I. I can't use Google Docs on it, which. 232 00:14:35,180 --> 00:14:36,440 Oh, it just doesn't work. 233 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,100 No, it does work. 234 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:41,340 But the way Q browser work is very key bind heavy. 235 00:14:41,340 --> 00:14:46,140 It's it's based on like the mentality of like modal editing and VIM. 236 00:14:46,140 --> 00:14:47,580 Yeah. 237 00:14:47,580 --> 00:14:50,280 So in order in order to like pass, 238 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,680 but instead of like an insert mode, 239 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,300 hitting I passes through the keys 240 00:14:57,300 --> 00:15:00,640 into like the browser itself 241 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,940 into the Web page, which means 242 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:12,120 If you don't do that and you just hit a key, you can easily just close the entire window on accident, 243 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,840 which I have done numerous times. 244 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:21,120 People ask me why I don't use Google Docs anymore. 245 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:27,400 Part of the reason is I'm not particularly fond of web browsers because I'm a hipster, I guess. 246 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:34,400 But the other reason is I keep accidentally losing all of my tasks, so I can't. 247 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,040 But yeah, that's my one complaint about it. 248 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,500 Other than that, it's beautiful. 249 00:15:37,500 --> 00:15:40,000 Runs runs like a dream. 250 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,300 Nice. That's awesome. 251 00:15:42,300 --> 00:15:47,180 I feel like we got on another tangent. 252 00:15:47,180 --> 00:15:49,640 I have no idea where we started. 253 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,340 Well, with J dot, right? 254 00:15:52,340 --> 00:15:55,040 Oh, yeah. D D. 255 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,940 Jot. It's one it's one of those names where it's like it is D. 256 00:15:58,940 --> 00:16:00,740 Jot. Yes. 257 00:16:02,740 --> 00:16:06,180 So how is that going to fit into your is your plan to start using that 258 00:16:06,180 --> 00:16:13,420 for formatting your your your plain text files with additional information? 259 00:16:13,420 --> 00:16:15,580 Is that the is that the kind of where it's going to fit? 260 00:16:15,580 --> 00:16:20,580 That that is to be seen because I I would like to try it out. 261 00:16:20,580 --> 00:16:23,980 This will probably be something where I come back in a week and be like, 262 00:16:23,980 --> 00:16:26,580 here's here's the progress I made on this. 263 00:16:26,580 --> 00:16:31,180 But my intention is for the specific pages where I need all of that, like extra 264 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:34,400 Mark content level formatting. 265 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,640 Yeah, I'm going to try to integrate this in. 266 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,400 It shouldn't be too hard to integrate it into a lab and itself. 267 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,640 And once I get that done, 268 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:49,080 I'm curious to see how it will play with my existing files, 269 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,640 because it's very similar to Markdown. 270 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,800 That's probably because Markdown is very. 271 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,240 Markdown is difficult to improve, right? 272 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:04,040 Because because I mean, at Markdown's core, it is. 273 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:11,280 Each block of text is a paragraph and you put a blank line in between paragraphs. 274 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:16,180 That's the core of Markdown, and you don't you can write an entire blog page 275 00:17:16,180 --> 00:17:21,320 just with that and like all the other stuff is just like additions to that. 276 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,280 So. Do you know the history of Markdown? 277 00:17:27,380 --> 00:17:36,340 I used to. So it was created by John Gruber for Garing Fireball. And he basically came up with this, 278 00:17:36,340 --> 00:17:41,940 this, I don't know who else was involved with it. And I'm sure that the internet will now be yelling 279 00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:47,540 at me. But it started with his blog and kind of expanded out of there. And then the next time that 280 00:17:47,540 --> 00:17:55,860 I really saw the next iteration of that was John August, who is a screenwriter, who wrote Big Fish, 281 00:17:55,860 --> 00:18:02,260 He wrote Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. He created a version of Markdown called Fountain.io, 282 00:18:02,260 --> 00:18:07,060 which allowed you to do screenplay format in Markdown. So you can basically have a plain text, 283 00:18:07,060 --> 00:18:13,700 which in essence broke the monopoly that Final Draft had on what scripts were supposed to look 284 00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:19,620 like. Because up until that point, you basically had to write in Final Draft in order to be able 285 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:25,060 to submit scripts and have them be formatted properly. And he created this and then created 286 00:18:25,060 --> 00:18:33,620 another tool called Highland, which is a Mac app that then took that work and would allow you to 287 00:18:33,620 --> 00:18:40,340 write in a graphical interface and have it save out to these fountain files. Yeah. So that was 288 00:18:40,340 --> 00:18:48,340 kind of the, I will see if I can find the, the document that he wrote on Markdown back in the 289 00:18:48,340 --> 00:18:54,420 day. I think it was, I'll see if I can find it. But there's a bunch. Markdown is one of those things 290 00:18:54,420 --> 00:18:58,100 It powers a lot of the web, but it's kind of transparent in the background. Yeah. 291 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:05,060 Because as a challenge, open up any web page where you can insert thing and check if they have 292 00:19:05,060 --> 00:19:08,820 if they allow markdown input nine times out of 10, they do. Yeah. 293 00:19:08,820 --> 00:19:13,220 Or there's a patch waiting to get merged into the main. 294 00:19:13,220 --> 00:19:19,220 Yeah. Oh, it was John Gruber and Aaron Schwartz. Aaron Schwartz is one of the developers on Reddit 295 00:19:19,220 --> 00:19:21,920 who he passed away years ago. 296 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,020 But he was one of those people who pushes, you know, 297 00:19:26,020 --> 00:19:29,660 in our first episode, we talked about like the open Internet, like these. 298 00:19:29,660 --> 00:19:35,300 Yeah, like he was probably a at this point patron saint of that work. 299 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:38,840 So I've thrown in a link to Markdown as well. 300 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:45,320 Yeah, I have a couple of things to throw out as well today for purely podcasting related. 301 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:51,720 So one of the things that I'm doing is I'm trying to make sure that we do as many things with podcasting 2.0. 302 00:19:51,720 --> 00:20:00,560 So we have our value block, which means if you listen to this in a podcasting 2.0 compliant app, which you can get at podcastapps.com, 303 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,160 there will be a link to that in the show notes as well. 304 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:09,280 You can be sending us value as the show goes on in those applications. 305 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,040 Got that all set up. 306 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,240 We're ready to do that. 307 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,400 We're ready to receive boostograms. 308 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:19,840 There's technology called OP three, um, that was set up to be able to do stats. 309 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,080 I've got those tags in there. 310 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,960 We need to get set up, but our, uh, podcast is being run on a WordPress blog 311 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,960 using a plugin called power press by the company blueberry. 312 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,760 And one of the things that happened last week. 313 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,840 So one of the additional, uh, uh, tags is transcripts. 314 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,880 So we have transcripts for our podcasts. 315 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,400 Like I did that right, right out the gate. 316 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,080 There's just like threw it into a whisper client. 317 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,360 It spit out the transcript. 318 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:48,100 I put it in there. 319 00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:52,260 I need to do some, uh, auditing on it to make sure that it's not, uh, like to 320 00:20:52,260 --> 00:20:53,860 make sure that there's a correction broken. 321 00:20:53,860 --> 00:20:54,120 Yeah. 322 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:56,720 I haven't done that yet, but it's, we were at least doing the 323 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:57,960 transcript portion to start with. 324 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:58,960 Yes. 325 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:05,140 But there was this, uh, on last week's episode of, uh, podcasting 2.0, they 326 00:21:05,140 --> 00:21:12,120 had someone on who, uh, uh, this guy, Nathan, who, uh, is Nathan, uh, 327 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:16,120 Gathright who started, uh, steno.fm. 328 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:20,260 And what that does is it basically is creating a list of all of the. 329 00:21:20,260 --> 00:21:23,020 Podcasts that have transcription support. 330 00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:24,880 So I'm like, oh, awesome. 331 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:25,800 We have transgendered support. 332 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,700 Let me put our name in, put in our podcast name, hit search, saw it. 333 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:30,940 It's right there, click it. 334 00:21:30,940 --> 00:21:32,580 And it goes to a completely different podcast. 335 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:41,340 Because what happened was there was a bug in PowerPress that it would create multiple 336 00:21:41,340 --> 00:21:46,000 podcasts with the same user ID. 337 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,080 So the same GUID it would, and that is what they were keying off of. 338 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:56,660 So because of that, I was able to report a bug out and I asked Nathan, I'm like, "Oh, 339 00:21:56,660 --> 00:22:02,780 I'm seeing this," and Dave Jones, who's one of the driving forces behind Podcasting 2.0 340 00:22:02,780 --> 00:22:07,660 Adam Curry jumped on and said, Oh, this appears to be an issue with PowerPress and Todd Cochran, 341 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:12,940 I've reported this on Friday. And by Monday, they had a new version of the plugin ready to go that 342 00:22:12,940 --> 00:22:18,220 I've just installed. So like I was able to participate in the open source community as a 343 00:22:18,220 --> 00:22:22,860 bug reporter this weekend, which I find incredibly exciting because like, that's the kind of thing 344 00:22:22,860 --> 00:22:27,260 where hopefully I've now helped make this better for everybody else who comes behind me. 345 00:22:27,260 --> 00:22:32,660 reporting a bug that doesn't turn out to be your own fault is one of the best experience 346 00:22:32,660 --> 00:22:39,540 best feelings in the world. Yeah, where it's not just oh I miss I missed a quote. Sorry guys. 347 00:22:39,540 --> 00:22:45,980 Yeah, as a software developer, it's you know, it's never fun when it's oh, yeah, no, that was me. 348 00:22:45,980 --> 00:22:55,860 That was my fault. Yeah, that's really good. Oh, I'm really glad that a this problem is solved. 349 00:22:55,860 --> 00:22:58,860 and be it was solved before I knew it was a problem. 350 00:22:58,860 --> 00:23:01,160 So that's right. 351 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,620 Props to you and the power press. 352 00:23:05,620 --> 00:23:08,960 Todd Cochran over at Blueberry with Power Press, 353 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,620 and I will throw links to that. 354 00:23:10,620 --> 00:23:14,420 And if you are looking to start a podcast on your own, 355 00:23:14,420 --> 00:23:19,880 just the amount of response that I've gotten from from Todd already 356 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,480 when I'm not a paying customer at this point, I'm using their free and open 357 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:30,100 plugin and they got this resolved. The customer service is great. So if you don't want to do what 358 00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:35,700 we're doing, which is a very home lab, homegrown, let's put all these pieces together, version of 359 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:41,300 a podcast, and you just want to pay somebody money to host it, I would say take a look at Blueberry. 360 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:47,060 This isn't an ad, but like already great customer support and they're very committed to the 361 00:23:47,060 --> 00:23:51,380 the podcasting 2.0, which is the next level of standards of the stuff. 362 00:23:51,380 --> 00:23:52,980 Yeah. 363 00:23:52,980 --> 00:23:59,700 I concur with that, not specifically the I can't specifically concur 364 00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:05,260 with the specific company, but like if you you do not have to do what we're doing 365 00:24:05,260 --> 00:24:07,940 and like run all of this out of your garage, it. 366 00:24:07,940 --> 00:24:11,340 It's cool. It's really satisfying. 367 00:24:11,340 --> 00:24:12,580 It's also really frustrating. 368 00:24:12,580 --> 00:24:14,060 There's a lot of stuff you have to do. 369 00:24:14,060 --> 00:24:18,860 So do not feel do not feel guilty about having to pay someone to help you do this. 370 00:24:18,860 --> 00:24:19,260 It's. 371 00:24:19,260 --> 00:24:22,760 Yeah, I mean, it's it's part of the reason why you use Linux 372 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,100 and are tweaking your browser as opposed to just using a MacBook Air. 373 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,560 It's because that's part of the fun for. Yeah. 374 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,760 And there's a lot of people would be like, that doesn't sound like fun at all. 375 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,000 Yeah, it's part of the fun. 376 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,300 And also for me, I have a compulsive 377 00:24:40,060 --> 00:24:45,100 need to not spend my meager my meager earnings on software if 378 00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:50,460 you just said you're cheap and like I've fully concur like yes. 379 00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:52,700 Well, on one hand, I'm cheap. 380 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:54,840 And on the other hand, 381 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,540 I also just genuinely do not like Adobe all that much. 382 00:24:58,540 --> 00:24:59,840 Yeah. 383 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,540 I as a as a quick little public service announcement. 384 00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:07,540 If you use Adobe products, I really recommend you to stop. 385 00:25:07,540 --> 00:25:13,140 The tools, a lot of them are better. 386 00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:18,460 Not all of them are better, but the ones that aren't better, aren't costing you 387 00:25:18,460 --> 00:25:20,020 like a couple hundred dollars. 388 00:25:20,020 --> 00:25:20,720 Yeah. 389 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,820 I do have to say though, I'm using right now, I'm using a Photoshop 390 00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:26,780 derivative on Mac that's not Photoshop. 391 00:25:26,780 --> 00:25:31,640 I'm not going to name it, but I keep going to do things because I learned on 392 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,260 Photoshop, like that was one of the first pieces of software I learned. 393 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,840 And like I miss the power of that tool to the point where I'm like, 394 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,640 the, I probably need to resubscribe to this, but I totally agree with you. 395 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,980 There's, there's certain avenues that they've gotten into where I go. 396 00:25:45,980 --> 00:25:50,840 That's like, there's better alternatives than the one they're offering, but 397 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,320 they have a couple of really good pieces of software that you then. 398 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,320 Yeah, that is a big problem. 399 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:56,640 Yeah. 400 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,760 Uh, the, there, there's a lot to say. 401 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,440 I will, I will say I do, I do feel for you on the whole, uh, 402 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,740 switching software and then looking for features that you don't have. 403 00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:14,740 Yeah, I I grew up using the GNU image manipulation program. 404 00:26:14,740 --> 00:26:18,840 Yeah, which I started using that on my MacBooks. 405 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,940 Yeah, this was basically predestination. 406 00:26:21,940 --> 00:26:24,740 But I recently switched to Krita 407 00:26:24,740 --> 00:26:27,200 because I haven't been doing as much photo editing 408 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,940 that wasn't in a raw photo editor. 409 00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:34,660 And I've been doing a lot more like draw ons to like photos and stuff. 410 00:26:34,660 --> 00:26:39,540 I kept like reflexively looking in menus for like features 411 00:26:39,540 --> 00:26:44,460 that were in the other program, but they just weren't there. 412 00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:46,540 So I do feel for you. 413 00:26:46,540 --> 00:26:48,620 It does get better. 414 00:26:48,620 --> 00:26:51,060 You just have to forget all of your instincts. 415 00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:52,900 You have to forget everything that you've learned. 416 00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:56,140 Yeah, no, that's pretty much. But I mean. 417 00:26:57,780 --> 00:27:00,920 A lot of Photoshop's features are cool and convenient. 418 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,520 Actually, let me let me talk about a program I actually have used extensively. 419 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,860 Premiere. I hate Premiere. 420 00:27:08,860 --> 00:27:10,980 Premiere sucks. 421 00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:15,620 Every other video editor I've used, including iMovie, 422 00:27:15,620 --> 00:27:19,420 has been easier to make more complicated edits with than Premiere, 423 00:27:19,420 --> 00:27:22,420 and it doesn't crash every 45 minutes. 424 00:27:22,420 --> 00:27:25,320 Yeah, I I strongly if. 425 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:31,280 If you are using Premiere right now, I wholeheartedly recommend 426 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,820 looking into other free and open source video editors. 427 00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:39,820 I am including Blender in this, which is a 3D modeling tool 428 00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:41,420 and 3D rendering tool. 429 00:27:41,420 --> 00:27:45,900 It is still a better video editor than Premiere, and it's free. 430 00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:47,440 Yeah, I'm sorry. 431 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,660 That was that that was a rant that I've been holding in 432 00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:51,800 since my freshman year of high school. 433 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,240 That's because that was your you had to use Premiere in that class. 434 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,380 Yeah, because we paid because we paying for all the the Adobe Creative Cloud. 435 00:28:00,380 --> 00:28:04,080 Yeah. And I just so it was included. 436 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,580 Yeah. Yeah. 437 00:28:05,580 --> 00:28:07,520 I don't have to say some of the stuff that they've done in Photoshop 438 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,860 with the magic delete where you can highlight things 439 00:28:10,860 --> 00:28:14,160 and like it re can like re changes the background. 440 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,760 Like I saw that first demoed at Adobe Max in 2012, and it was mind blowing back 441 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,760 then and like it still doesn't make any sense as to how it's possible 442 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,460 that they just magically remove things from the background. 443 00:28:25,860 --> 00:28:28,660 I think the biggest issue that I always had with Premiere was the key bindings 444 00:28:28,660 --> 00:28:31,860 were so different than any of every other digital editor that I'd used. 445 00:28:31,860 --> 00:28:38,500 That it was like mostly the, the DV editors allowed you to use the same 446 00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:42,260 workflow in your pans to make things work. 447 00:28:42,260 --> 00:28:43,660 And Premiere was like, nope. 448 00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:48,040 And like, and what was funny is Final Cut made that same change where all of a 449 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,020 sudden, like the key bindings were different and you're like, okay, well, 450 00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:52,460 now I don't know how to do my job anymore. 451 00:28:52,940 --> 00:28:55,640 Yeah, not not to 452 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,000 chill for Blender more, 453 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,340 but that was that was a big problem for like 454 00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:04,940 a couple versions in Blender where 455 00:29:04,940 --> 00:29:10,640 where you would have like different key bindings from everywhere else. 456 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,140 I specifically remember to select something if you use right click. 457 00:29:15,140 --> 00:29:17,900 Yeah, which was the big thing. 458 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:20,000 But now they've made it 459 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,300 so that well, you can customize all the key bindings, 460 00:29:22,300 --> 00:29:26,160 but also when you open up the program for the first time, it's like, would you like 461 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,900 to select things with left mouse button or right mouse button, which is, which on one 462 00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:36,940 hand, very funny. On the other hand, very helpful. Thank you for adding that. Yeah, 463 00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:43,020 exactly. A lot of those tools, it's very much becomes what is the best way for you to use 464 00:29:43,020 --> 00:29:46,460 the tool, even if it's not the default. Now, the only thing about that that can be tricky 465 00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:53,020 is if you go to like a place with edit bays and sitting down at every machine and having them 466 00:29:53,020 --> 00:29:58,140 work the same so that like, yeah, the key button, like sitting down at a Mac and it always works 467 00:29:58,140 --> 00:30:01,500 the same, which of course means the first thing that I do is I remap keys and it's like, well, 468 00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:08,060 now no one else could use this computer. Yeah. I, um, so I have like most people, 469 00:30:08,060 --> 00:30:14,060 a control bound to caps lock. Yes. Um, it means I cannot use windows. 470 00:30:14,060 --> 00:30:15,100 Correct. 471 00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:17,200 Like I have escaped bound to caps lock. 472 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,800 No, I used to have escaped bound to caps lock. 473 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,860 And then I and then I started using I used to use them. 474 00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:24,600 Now I use Emacs. 475 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,100 I'm pretty I'm very comfortable in both. 476 00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:29,360 For a while, I had both bound to caps lock. 477 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,360 I don't even want to get into how I did that. 478 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,900 It was really cool. 479 00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:35,000 Now it's kind of broken and I'm trying to fix it. 480 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,360 But it was really cool for a while. 481 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,960 But with Windows, you just can't do that. 482 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,100 Yeah, you can do that. 483 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:44,240 You have to go into the registry editor. 484 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,300 Yeah. And at that point, you have to edit X codes. Nope. 485 00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:52,940 That's one way to ensure that your machine never works ever again. 486 00:30:52,940 --> 00:30:54,280 Like, yeah, right there. 487 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,640 You're I did it. 488 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:01,580 I did it once in a VM and then I realized, oh, I can never use a Windows PC ever again. 489 00:31:01,580 --> 00:31:06,380 Yeah. Because I'm just so used to like, it's so funny. 490 00:31:06,380 --> 00:31:07,340 I will. I'll be in. 491 00:31:07,340 --> 00:31:11,580 I'll be in one of like the computer labs at school and I'll and I'll hit like, 492 00:31:11,780 --> 00:31:13,480 Oh, new tab. 493 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,740 Oh, it's just a capital T. 494 00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:17,780 OK, undo caps lock control. 495 00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:20,780 Why is it so far away? Yeah. 496 00:31:20,780 --> 00:31:21,740 Yeah. 497 00:31:21,740 --> 00:31:24,740 I another another thing relating to the caps lock thing. 498 00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:29,640 If someone ever references 499 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,380 emacs pinky to you. 500 00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:36,740 All that means is that they have not 501 00:31:36,740 --> 00:31:40,180 remembered that they can rebind keys. Hmm. 502 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:41,400 True. 503 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,520 Like at that point. 504 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:47,400 Yeah. 505 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,960 Sorry. 506 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:49,400 I had to cough. 507 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,560 Yeah. 508 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,000 At that point, like just take the moment and rebind the key. 509 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,500 Don't don't just be like break your, break your finger off. 510 00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:55,760 Yeah. 511 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,900 Cause cause them just as difficult to use without rebinding keys. 512 00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:01,200 Yeah, absolutely. 513 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,080 Well, Zane, always great to talk to you. 514 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,540 I'm really excited that we're continuing to do this. 515 00:32:07,540 --> 00:32:08,520 Um, yeah. 516 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,220 My pleasure. 517 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:15,560 Uh, just a reminder, um, tell people where they can find you on the, on the internet. 518 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:21,740 Um, you can find me currently at one oh three dot socials forward slash at Zane. 519 00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:28,140 And also as of now, you can find to me at checking the username, uh, pixel fed 520 00:32:28,140 --> 00:32:35,020 dot social, uh, forward slash at eight D R dash H N T. 521 00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:36,720 Awesome. 522 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,140 It's okay. 523 00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:39,680 If you don't follow that one, because it's difficult to remember. 524 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:45,080 I understand and you just set up the pixel fed stuff and I want to talk about that next week because the goal is to try 525 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:50,600 To get that set up for ourselves as well. Yeah, I have some issues with pixel fed and I also have some 526 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:56,480 Some love for it. So I will get into that next week. Perfect. Sounds good. And you can find me at 527 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:03,800 MSB at 103 dot social and all of my other links are at MSB dot link and those will be updated there Zane 528 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,800 Thank you again for 529 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,800 half an hour and I'll talk to you next week. 530 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,080 Thank you. See you next week. Bye.